March 2019 MSH Meet and Confer

AFSCME Labor Management MSH

March 21st 2019 1230PM

Administration Building


Attendance: Adam Castle, Marvin Sullivan, Crystal Kreklow, Emilio Florez, Kurt Crosby, Steve Wilking, Ryan Cates, Lisa Vanderveen, Alli Kuhlman, Michelle Chalin, Carol Olsen, Roxanne Portner



Standing Agenda Items:

  1. OSHA Information-Handouts from Alli.
  2. 2.      Overtime Information-Handouts from Alli.

Old Business:


  1. Roxanne-URL for browsers has been sent out to RNS for testing. If goes well, it will start soon. App testing will begin next week. Carol-first testing is the browsers on home computer icon use. So it may expand to all browsers. Roxanne-Jodi will get feedback after testing. Firefox, google chrome, not sure about safari. I will check when I get home because I do use safari.



  1. 1.      LPN and RN Mutuals: Alli-talked about having both bargaining units at the table. We would have talked to some supervisors and we would have trouble with unknown needs. Need to be additional conversation with what happens now as far as business goes. There will be more discussion. We can keep you informed. Still an odd piece. AFSCME and MNA have mutual language. If we were to put together, how would that work? What does that look like? We don’t have all of the information ready yet. We will keep you updated
  2. 2.      Incentive Bonus: Cates-employees topped out for 6 months to a year. Krystal-it is at DCT level. They are talking about how that will work out. Carol-it’s coming in waves and is at higher than our level. I don’t have anything else to say about the issue. This isn’t the place to bring it. It’s at a much higher level at this point.

New Business:




  1. 1.      LPN Vacation Slots/One on weekends: Cates-Bartlett and MSH each get one spot weekdays and 1 on weekends. Asking for one slot per area on weekends as it is on weekdays. Carol-I will have to look at the staffing. Roxanne-doesn’t look like the numbers would support it but we can look. Cates-usually 1 to 10 staff for vacation and its right on that edge.
  2. 2.      DCT Reclassification of MAPE clinical employees: cates-wondering how this is working and will it include vocational. Carol-conversation happening with MAPE and DCT leadership and I am not included in that. Cates-curious because we have afscme staff in vocational too. Include any areas besides just clinical?  Carol-can’t answer that, I don’t know.
  3. 3.      Old Center Parking Restriction/Insufficient Parking: Carol-old center is the only parking lot that has restrictions. A lot of lots are full and just want for 3rd watch from 2 to 1030 to be able to use old center staffing. Carol-I told Melby to schedule a meeting to talk about the parking situation. I want to hear more. Cates-just for 3rd watch. There is a lot of ice, poor lighting. Marvin-we heard about this and in Bartlett if you come in, they are always full. What are they supposed to do? Steve-at what point do we just say we know there is an issue and just let it be. We don’t want staff getting nasty grams when everyone knows there is a parking issue. Carol-we ordered funds for extra key boxes. Even in forest view and prairie view and not issue to staff. Marvin-we should push that way and get some in front. Roxanne-staff will be moving from a unit closing also. Marvin-we need to be vigilant.

 Add On:

  1. 1.       GMW Uniforms: Cates-asking to wear sweatshirts over the t-shirts. Asking to get hi Vis jackets or shirts to wear, and boots or shoes as part of the uniform. Steve-using chemicals so they are getting them on their feet. Cates-years ago they were given shoes. Carol-I can’t answer that but I will look into it.
  2. 2.      Overtime at Forensic Nursing Home: Overtime distribution. People have something come up they are being told to go to direct supervisor. They don’t know anything about it. They don’t have a way to rescind. Carol-I though you couldn’t rescind overtime. Mervin-the issue is when its 2 weeks out. A staff yesterday was scheduled 2 weeks out. Got home and came in and told them he can’t but was told he already took it and can’t rescind. Carol-we said once you pick up it’s your shift. Kurt-pushback was that they will then call in sick. Crystal-we need some exceptions. Cates-it’s how far out. 2, 3 weeks down the road and then realize they can’t. Cates-if they tell him there isn’t a process. Then they call in sick and will lead to an inverse. Rather have someone who want to work it. Steve-if its two weeks out, and there are 15 people ready. Why not just go to the next. Its still pre assigned 2 weeks out. It’s going to put a smidgen more work on who does it. We don’t get many that do this. Carol-I think people will say ill take it then go home and say I don’t want that one, this one. We are going to have people always taking it and then choosing. Crystal-then we deal with them on an individual basis. That would be addressed. Carol-I will take it back and talk about it, I hear what you are saying. Kurt-scheduling has been doing this for weeks they are scheduling more staff than what we need. I was told they never get a phone call. They think because there has been hospital coverage. You can’t schedule for that. If you know there it coverage but no one knew how long. It’s not financially responsible. More people being scheduled than what we are needed. Can’t schedule for expecting sick calls. Carol-we will look into that.
  3. 3.      AODS Pool Inconsistencies: Kurt-I was in hospital and was called for overtime back here. I said I would like to stay. He said there is someone already scheduled. The AODS came in and asked if she would like overtime. Said ok you can have at hospital. I called and said it’s given out where the need it. 2 people from Bartlett were instructed to go there. Carol-what days? Kurt-Friday and Saturday night. Carol-I will look into it. Kurt-scheduler is scheduling at the hospital and Luke wouldn’t like that to continue because you can’t plan for the time. You schedule where the need is. Carol-a couple of our hospital stays are extended hospitalizations so to look ahead is a known right now. Not saying this is what it was but it’s possible. Kurt-this one was not there extended. Crystal-overall problem is this pool isn’t working as it should. Carol-I don’t want to say overall. There are also a lot of good things. But we will follow up. Cates-are they being run with 2 staff? Carol-some are and some aren’t. Depends on liberty level of the person. Mervin-had issues with restroom breaks again. The hospital staff won’t cover. It was taken back. Carol- hope so. Cates-it can cause problems with a mobile client. Carol-I will definitely follow up with that. Carol-if staff are working and getting that message, call the AODS right away to take care of it. Carol-they are supposed to use their own restraints. You can intervene if they act. You are there to protect the public. They should be using their restraints. I will follow up with TC and schedule a meeting with the hospital. We hope it trickles down to nursing staff. Marvin-if you are sitting in ER, our cell phones will not work. Only way to get out is through Wi-Fi enabled.
  4. 24 in 48 hour overtime: Michelle-cannot work under license at Nursing home unless you are licensed. We are limited with direct care staff. Its not hospital coverage. Mervin-how are we relaying that? Carol-it’s on a clip board. Michelle-there is a sheet developed that is on the clip board along with the orders and when to restrain. Michelle-if its bathroom break, they relieve one staff. For 15 minute break they call the AODs office and a counselor comes over. Carol-meeting to talk about what options we have, we are short staffed. Kurt-a lot of people want the OT so it there is a way to figure it out. Carol-it ebbs and flows where we feel staffing is solid then have a couple leave. Exploring a hiring event again for that. If you have any ideas, let us know. We tap into a lot of education programs also.

Adjourned at 130pm